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[Uncommon Descent] Certainly the answer does not lie in the oft-repeated canard that ID is nothing but Biblical creationism in a cheap tuxedo.  My grandfather knew absolutely nothing about the Indians that carved his points; yet that did not preclude him from making a design inference.  Similarly, ID acknowledges that the empirical evidence tells us nothing about the identity of the designer, who may be natural or supernatural.  Why is this simple concept so hard for some people to get their heads around?  Life is a matter of chemistry and physics - super-sophisticated chemistry and physics beyond our present technology to be sure - but there is nothing in principle that will prevent human technology from eventually creating artificial life in the laboratory.  The artificial life humans eventually produce will be “designed life.”  So why is it so hard to accept that ID does not rest on the premise that “God did it”?  Even Dawkins admits that a non-supernatural ID hypothesis is valid in principle:  In the documentary “Expelled” Dawkins told interviewer Ben Stein:

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[Michael Prescott's Blog] Michael Prescott's Blog: Book review: There Is Life after Death: But what is much more remarkable than that economic achievement is that the contents - or rather lack of contents - of this book show Dawkins himself to have become what he and his fellow secularists typically believe to be an impossibility: namely, a secularist bigot. (Helpfully, my copy of The Oxford Dictionary defines a bigot as ”˜an obstinate or intolerant"

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[ScienceBlogs : News] Richard Dawkins: banned in Oklahoma? : Pharyngula: It's a little game, isn't it - why, you've probably been here before, under a different name, and you're back for more.Well, perhaps I could politely suggest that you take your gay jesus - nothing wrong with that of course (but really - I mean no wife, 33, domineering mother, absent father - don't say you didn't suspect), well please take your cum-gobbling saviour, his psychotic baby-raping father, his "virgin" mother, and the entire bible, every single last page, and place them carefully but conscientiously, up your arse - though in reality of course, it will only be the bible which will actually physically penetrate the sphincter.Fuck you, fuck what passes for "ideas" in your head, fuck you religion of hate and oppression, fuck your symbols, fuck your prayers, fuck everything you believe in. Please go off, and instead of posting here have a good long wank, or pray (the two being of identical utility).In other words, kindly remove yourself from the realm of rationality we call "here" and take your silly imaginary friends with you.

[Greta Christina's Blog] Greta Christina's Blog: The Argument From Design -- Now With 40 ...: that's the one to read.) But even if mutations are harmful 99.9% of the time (I don't know if that number is accurate, but I'll go with it for now), that doesn't contradict evolutionary theory -- if a beneficial mutation happens 0.1% of the time, that's one out of a thousand animals/ plants/ whatever, which is enough over time to confer selective advantage.

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